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#1 Hamas prevents Gaza orphans visiting Israel

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:55 pm
by frigidmagi
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30617664
Thirty-seven children whose parents were killed in the recent Israel-Gaza conflict have been prevented by Hamas from visiting Israel on a trip organised by peace activists.

Hamas said they would have had to visit "settlements and occupied towns".

The children, aged between 12 and 15 and accompanied by five adults, were turned back at the Erez crossing.

More than 2,100 people, mostly Palestinians, died in the 50-day July-August conflict, the UN said.

Israel said 67 of its troops and six civilians died.

The visit, organised by kibbutz leaders, the charity Candle for Peace and Arab-Israeli officials, would have taken the children to Arab towns in Israel, southern areas targeted by militants' rockets in the conflict, a mixed-race school and the beach in Tel Aviv.

A visit to Ramallah in the Israeli-occupied West Bank to meet the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas was also planned, according to Yoel Marshak of the Kibbutz Movement.

Organisers of a cancelled trip for Gaza children to Israel, 28 December 2014
It was a fruitless wait for organisers on the Israeli side of the crossing
The week-long trip had been approved by the Israeli security service.

But Hamas, which has controlled Gaza since 2007, said the cancellation was justified to protect children from "the politics of normalisation" with Israel.

Spokesman Eyad Bozum said Hamas would ensure such a trip "will never happen again".

Three weeks ago, Hamas too had given approval for the visit, Mr Marshak, said, expressing surprise that it was blocked.

Charity for Peace director Malek Freij told Reuters news agency: "They thought that Israel wants to exploit these children, and that's a mistake."

Hamas refuses to recognise Israel, which it sees as occupying Palestinian land, and under its charter is committed to Israel's destruction.

Several nations, including Israel and the United States, count Hamas as a terrorist organisation due to its long record of attacks and its refusal to renounce violence.

The most recent Gaza conflict flared after tensions rose between Israel and Palestinian militants.

Hamas fired thousands of rockets and mortars towards Israel during the 50-day conflict this summer. Israel carried out an aerial bombing campaign and a ground invasion.
Dick move.

#2 Re: Hamas prevents Gaza orphans visiting Israel

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:22 am
by General Havoc
Hamas? Dicks? Perish the thought.

Don't worry, if these kids ever oppose Hamas, they'll be happy to let them visit Israeli hospitals after blowing their limbs off with shotguns.

#3 Re: Hamas prevents Gaza orphans visiting Israel

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:41 am
by Lys
I'm curious, is blowing people's limbs off with shotguns something Hamas has deliberately done, or merely the result of Hamas not being good at the whole shooting thing?

#4 Re: Hamas prevents Gaza orphans visiting Israel

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:03 am
by General Havoc
Lys wrote:I'm curious, is blowing people's limbs off with shotguns something Hamas has deliberately done, or merely the result of Hamas not being good at the whole shooting thing?
A very deliberate policy. When Hamas drove Fatah out of Gaza, they made a policy of shooting the Fatah officials in the back of the knee with a rifle or shotgun and dumping them on the Israeli side of the border, to ensure they would never walk properly again. Some kind of cultural thing.

#5 Re: Hamas prevents Gaza orphans visiting Israel

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:23 pm
by Lys
That right there is some loving attention to detail in letting someone know you hate them.

#6 Re: Hamas prevents Gaza orphans visiting Israel

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:50 pm
by frigidmagi
I think extremist groups have a thing for crippling people in general. The IRA used to take power drills to peoples knees and ankles for example.

#7 Re: Hamas prevents Gaza orphans visiting Israel

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:03 pm
by Lys
It sends a message, a persistent message. A corpse goes into a coffin and then in the ground, out of sight and out of mind. A cripple lingers, a daily reminder even to those who don't know him of the price of defiance, of going against the cause. It's also easier to glorify dying for something, and to exalt the dead as martyrs. But the man who winces every time he limps? Not so easy to wrap a flag around him. Groups like Hamas and the IRA fight their wars with ideas as much as they do with guns and bombs, and gestures like this are all about demoralizing the opposition

#8 Re: Hamas prevents Gaza orphans visiting Israel

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:49 am
by Josh
That's not just an extremist group thing. Biker gangs, the Mafia, etc.

Kneecapping is an ancient human tradition.