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#1 After 3 years, Army finally adopts Marine fitness test.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:25 pm
by frigidmagi
In 2008 the USMC adopted a new fitness test, where a Marine must make a run of 880 yards, lift an ammo can above his head repeatly and run through a 300 yard obstacle with tasks one would have to do in combat.

In 2011...
Sit-ups don't make a soldier, the Army has decided. So its 30-year-old fitness requirements are getting a battlefield-inspired makeover.
Soon every soldier will have to run on a balance beam with two 30-pound canisters of ammunition, drag a sled weighted with 180 pounds of sandbags and vault over obstacles while carrying a rifle. Those were just some of the tests the Army unveiled Tuesday as it moves toward making its physical training look more like combat.

Right now soldiers have to complete sit-ups, push-ups and a two-mile run twice a year within times that vary by age and gender. Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, the general in charge of the Army's initial military training, said he has been working to change that test for years.

Hertling said the current test "does not adequately measure components of strength, endurance, or mobility," or predict how well a soldier would do under fire.

A new annual "combat readiness" test includes running 400 meters — about a quarter of a mile — with a rifle, moving through an obstacle course in full combat gear, and crawling and vaulting over obstacles while aiming a rifle. Soldiers also will have to run on a balance beam while carrying 30-pound ammo boxes and do an agility sprint around a course field of cones.

Soldiers also will have to drag sleds weighted with sandbags to test their ability to pull a fallen comrade from the battlefield. The combat test might be given before deployments as well as annually, but that has not been decided.

The Army will keep elements of its old assessment in a "physical readiness" test, which adds such things as a 60-yard shuttle run and a standing long jump to one minute of push-ups and a 1.5-mile timed run. This might be given every six months, said Frank Palkoska, head of the Army's Fitness School at Fort Jackson.

Hertling said trials of the new program are starting this month at eight bases and the plan could be adopted Army-wide after reviews later this year.

AP/Brett Flashnick
Soldiers who ran the proposed "combat readiness" portion of the test Tuesday told reporters the exercises were tough, even for combat veterans.

Wearing a battle helmet and carrying a rifle, Staff Sgt. Timothy Shoenfelt teetered as he trod the balance beam, holding ammo tins in each hand. His pace slowed a bit as he dragged the green sled behind him, then held his M-4 steady as he strode sideways through the "point-move-aim" portion of the test.

"My quads are on fire!" the 31-year-old from Indiana, Pa., said afterward. "It really made me breathe hard and challenged a lot of muscle groups."
Wheeled vehicle mechanic and Sgt. 1st Class Cornelius Trammell, 33, of Eufaula, Ala., said it will be important for all soldiers to go through tests, even if their jobs are behind desks. He laughed when reporters commented on his sweaty face.

"You never know when you might need it, whether you are in the infantry or if you're a mechanic," said Trammell, who's been deployed three times.
The tests will be given to all soldiers and officers, including Army Reserves and National Guard, even those recalled soldiers who are now over 60, officials said. Specific gender and age standards are still being worked out, Palkoska said.

The shift follows other Army efforts to overhaul training, improve diets and help older soldiers keep fit. Hertling said the Army is trying to better prepare soldiers for the 40 to 70 pounds of weapons and body armor many of them need to carry in Afghanistan and Iraq.
"Soldiers like to be challenged. This will definitely challenge them," Hertling said.

The Army also is hoping to reduce injuries — both in the field and from repetitive exercises.

"This is about training smarter, not just training more," Hertling said.
Staff Sgt. Danica Foster, 28, of Brooklyn, N.Y., who pumped through a shuttle run and did push-ups for the "physical readiness" section, said the new tests will require soldiers to work on their upper body strength. Female soldiers will have to work to get them done, she said.

"I honestly believe, though, that if I can do this, anybody can," she said with a laugh.

Besides Fort Jackson, the program will be tested at Fort Leonard Wood, Mo.; Fort Benning, Ga.; Fort Sill, Okla.; Fort Bliss, Texas; Fort Bragg, N.C.; Fort Lewis, Wash.; and at the Army's military academy at West Point.
I congratulate the army... For finally catching up.

#2

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:48 pm
by SirNitram
'Bout time. You don't need ripped abs, you need to get the ammo to the crew served weapon.

#3

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:01 am
by B4UTRUST
It's true. Quite a few of us had the same argument in the AF, though probably for different reasons. We were tired of our job performance being based on how many pushups we can do, not how well we can actually do the work required for our job.

#4

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:14 pm
by Derek Thunder
SirNitram wrote:'Bout time. You don't need ripped abs, you need to get the ammo to the crew served weapon.
I'm not so sure. I mean, yeah, being able to "function" in "combat" is nice, but how are we going to win hearts and minds without a totally ripped beach bod?

That being said, I question the relevance of this new test, it doesn't seem to bear any more resemblance to today's deployments than the old one did. A more fitting test would consist of (1) beating traffic jams to get to work, and (2) sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours playing Pakistani Wedding Blaster. I hear they make you an officer if you can get past level 5.

#5

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:44 pm
by frigidmagi
Derek, that dead horse you're beating has turned into jelly. For one thing only the Airforce and the CIA gets to control drones on deep strikes for another most of the military still does it's own fighting. If you're going to troll, troll the Army and not the whole DoD.

#6

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:48 pm
by B4UTRUST
Hell, Derek, I personally want to know where you think that having a 28 inch waist makes you a better soldier and better for a deployment vs having say a 32 or 34 inch waist. Because as a person who had to take those fitness tests, your waist measurement is counted. And the new AF tests are actually semi-effective and relevant vs our old ones. Up until about 6 years ago we were still doing the bike test! We would put on a heart monitor and ride an exercise bike for 10 minutes once a year for our yearly fitness exam. Fit people couldn't pass it. Fat people aced it.

Putting in new tests that are more in line with activities or physical motions that may be required in a deployed situation is what they're doing here and it is completely warranted. Doing a pushup faster than the guy next to you doesn't make you fit or a better soldier. Doing exercises and obstacles while having to carry weight to simulated equipment you have to carry/wear in the field and doing it while carrying weapons is very much appropriate for both Army and Marines.

As for the current AF PT test, yeah we're still lagging behind the rest. And as for your comment about weaving through traffic and sitting on our asses, there was a great deal of my time in the AF with my job that I spent walking 3/4 of a mile from my unit to an aircraft carrying a 70lb toolbox in one hand and about 50lbs of books in the other. Aint a whole lot of traffic dodging and ass sitting there, friend.

#7

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:37 pm
by Derek Thunder
B4UTRUST wrote:Hell, Derek, I personally want to know where you think that having a 28 inch waist makes you a better soldier and better for a deployment vs having say a 32 or 34 inch waist. Because as a person who had to take those fitness tests, your waist measurement is counted. And the new AF tests are actually semi-effective and relevant vs our old ones. Up until about 6 years ago we were still doing the bike test! We would put on a heart monitor and ride an exercise bike for 10 minutes once a year for our yearly fitness exam. Fit people couldn't pass it. Fat people aced it.
Well, I have some maps to work on, but I'll highlight my point through the use of two hypothetical examples. The first represents a scenario where the new PT program is relevant, the other highlights the older program.

Scenario 1: A foot patrol is finishing its daily route through a small Afghan village 20 miles south of Marjah when the ambiance of a quiet summer afternoon is shattered by the heavy thud of a soviet-era mortar. Small-arms fire erupts from an abandoned school 1500 yards up a small rise. The soldiers find cover, but the mortar fire continues and one is wounded. Following a report of the encounter, an F-15 returning from another mission is diverted and releases its last 500-pound bomb on the school. A large cloud of dust is thrown up but the hit is partial - the Taliban fighters scatter, but the position is too valuable to abandon. The army soldiers know that they must reach the top first, and they emerge from their temporary fortifications to make the trek. Their physical training prepared them for long sprints weighed down by battle gear, and they reach the school first (though just barely). The Taliban fighters are repulsed, but most manage to escape back into the civilian population, and the tactical victory is temporary.

Scenario 2: A young Afghan man is walking home after a long day working in the field. He is thin, but well-built from years of labor in his family's hardscrabble poppy farm. As he passes the last checkpoint, he notices several Army soldiers in a caged open-air gym doing exercises. Chest presses, squats, and sit-ups. Thousands and thousands of crunches and sit-ups. Mesmerized, he walks over to the cage - it is unlocked, and he quietly lets himself in. He feels the excitement rise as he walks in between rows of perfectly-sculpted warriors, the sweat beading and rolling off their taut muscles. As he slowly makes his way through, a square-chinned hunk nods at him.

"Ice me off, bro?"

The afghan man does not know much English, but he sees a bucket of ice lying next to the bench where the soldier is punishing his abdominal muscles. Already shirtless, the soldier lays flat and exposes his flawless 8-pack of sculpted abs, a set of muscles that appeared to be chiseled out of the finest marble available to the Greek sculptors of antiquity. Heracles, Theseus, and now this bronze god lying before the stunned Afghan man. He grasped a single cube as he ran it down the rows of abs, the melted ice forming small puddles in the ridges. The muscles were hard, very hard, yet still yielding...

Wait, what were we talking about?

#8

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:21 am
by frigidmagi
How your My Little Pony Fetish is warping and twisting your already tenuous hold on reality.

#9

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:54 pm
by B4UTRUST
Hell, I'm wondering if I need to move the post to user fiction and create a sub-forum for erotica fiction...

I'd ask what fantasy world you live in, Derek, but I'm pretty sure I don't really want to know the answer.