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#1 Greece to miss budget deficit targets in 2011 and 2012

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:25 pm
by frigidmagi
bbc
Greece has said its budget deficit will be cut in 2011 and 2012 but will still miss targets set by the EU and IMF.

The 2011 deficit is projected to be 8.5% of GDP, down from 10.5% in 2010 but short of the 7.6% target.

The government, which on Sunday adopted its 2012 draft budget, blamed the shortfall on deepening recession.

The figures come as inspectors from the IMF, EU and European Central Bank are in Athens to decide whether Greece should get a key bail-out instalment.

Greece needs the 8bn euros (£6.9bn; $10.9bn) instalment to avoid going bankrupt next month.

Bankruptcy would put severe pressure on the eurozone, damage European bank finances and possibly have a serious knock-on effect on the world economy.

'Unanimously approved'
The Greek finance ministry said on Sunday that its unpopular austerity measures would have to be adhered to even if the latest targets were to be met.

It said: "Three critical months remain to finish 2011, and the final estimate of 8.5% of GDP deficit can be achieved if the state mechanism and citizens respond accordingly."

It released figures for 2012's projected deficit, putting it at 6.8% of GDP, also short of the 6.5% target.

The figures came as the government met to approve Greece's draft budget for next year.

It blamed an economic contraction this year of 5.5% - rather than May's 3.8% estimate - for the failure to meet deficit targets.

The cabinet meeting also approved a measure to put 30,000 civil service staff on "labour reserve" by the end of the year.

This places them on partial pay with possible dismissal after a year.

"The labour reserve measure was approved unanimously," one deputy minister told Reuters.

This measure, along with other wage cuts and tax rises, have been part of a package intended to persuade the so called "troika" of the EU, IMF and ECB to continue with its bail-out.

The inspectors will report back to EU finance ministers soon but analysts believe they have little choice but to approve the latest tranche.

The Greek austerity measures are hugely unpopular at home and have led to a wave of strikes and protests.

Many Greeks believe the austerity measures are strangling any chance of growth.

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The British may be patting themselves on the back for sticking with the pound. If nothing else they won't wake up some day and find that their country is in hock to Germany or something.

#2 Re: Greece to miss budget deficit targets in 2011 and 2012

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:28 pm
by Cynical Cat
frigidmagi wrote: The British may be patting themselves on the back for sticking with the pound. If nothing else they won't wake up some day and find that their country is in hock to Germany or something.
Being tied to the Euro isn't why Greece is fucked. Racking up a titanic debt, lying about it, having a system of government so corrupt that the US looks squeeky clean, and not having much of an economy to pay it off with is why Greece is fucked.

#3

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:15 pm
by frigidmagi
Sure, but being tied to the Euro limits their options. Normally their currency would be devalued, not a painless solution but one that usually doesn't cause riots. Nor would Greece be facing suggestions that parts of their government be replaced with EU administration. Basically, Greece finds it's options limited and that the other nations of the EU have much more leverage over it then if it wasn't using the Euro. That they dug this hole shovel full by shovel full all on their own is another point.

Now to be fair to the EU, their administrators would be more efficient, less corrupt and likely do a fair amount of necessary house cleaning. Greece after all lied it's ass off for what? Nearly a decade?

But one can understand why Greece isn't likely to surrender chunks of it's governance to foreigners who will more interested in making sure other nations get paid then taking care of Greeks. It's a sticky problem.

#4

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:29 pm
by Cynical Cat
frigidmagi wrote:Sure, but being tied to the Euro limits their options. Normally their currency would be devalued, not a painless solution but one that usually doesn't cause riots.
Currency devaluation wouldn't solve the problem. It would help, but it would cause problems all of its own and it wouldn't have stopped the riots. The riots are in response to austerity programs to try and deal with the debt and being pissed off at the highly corrupt government which incurred those debts and isn't going to feel the pain. Greece had a retirement age of fifty-five and an economy based around some shipping, tourism, and shipping olives to Italy. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that was living on borrowed time. The whole thing was going to blow anyway.