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#1 Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:52 pm
by Dark Silver
via CNN

(CNN) -- Deep down on the bottom of the Baltic Sea, Swedish treasure hunters think they have made the find of a lifetime.
The problem is, they're not exactly sure what it is they've uncovered.

Out searching for shipwrecks at a secret location between Sweden and Finland, the deep-sea salvage company Ocean Explorer captured an incredible image more than 80 meters below the water's surface.

At first glance, team leader and commercial diver Peter Lindberg joked that his crew had just discovered an unidentified flying object, or UFO.

"I have been doing this for nearly 20 years so I have a seen a few objects on the bottom, but nothing like this," said Lindberg.

"We had been out for nine days and we were quite tired and we were on our way home, but we made a final run with a sonar fish and suddenly this thing turned up," he continued.

Using side-scan sonar, the team found a 60-meter diameter cylinder-shaped object, with a rigid tail 400 meters long.

The imaging technique involves pulling a sonar "towfish" -- that essentially looks sideways underwater - behind a boat, where it creates sound echoes to map the sea floor below.

On another pass over the object, the sonar showed a second disc-like shape 200 meters away.

Lindberg's team believe they are too big to have fallen off a ship or be part of a wreck, but it's anyone's guess what could be down there.

"We've heard lots of different kinds of explanations, from George Lucas's spaceship -- the Millennium Falcon -- to 'it's some kind of plug to the inner world,' like it should be hell down there or something.

"But we won't know until we have been down there," said Lindberg.

The Head of Archaeology at Sweden's Maritime Museums, Andreas Olsson, admits he's intrigued by the picture, but remains sceptical about what it could be.

The reliability of one-side scan sonar images is one of his main concerns, making it difficult to determine if the object is a natural geological formation or something different altogether.

"It all depends on the circumstances when you actually tow the [sonar] fish after the boat," he said.

"What are the temperature conditions, the wave conditions, how deep is your fish in relation to the sea bed etcetera and all those parameters also affects what kind of image you have in the end," he explained.

Even Lindberg agrees the image "isn't the best it could be." But his crew are still planning to return to the site in the calmer waters of spring to investigate their find.

It's a risky and expensive business, and not one that always pays off.

British maritime historian, Professor Andrew Lambert, says the costs of recovery are now too high for most.

"If you want to stand in a cold shower tearing up £50 notes, go shipwreck hunting," he said. "Most shipwrecks are rotting away, or carrying dull things -- all the romance has been taken out of it."

It's a problem Lindberg and his team are aware of.

"It's a very difficult industry to be in -- it's money all the time," he confessed. "The best thing it could be, would be 60 meters of gold -- then I would be very happy."

"This thing is very far out, it's really off-shore, so first of all we need a bigger ship... more equipment.. and we have to do bottom sampling, water sampling, to see if it is something poisonous."

But even if the mystery object doesn't contain retrievable treasure the site could still prove to be a gold mine for the Ocean Explorer team, with tourists and private investors paying to see it up-close, in a submarine.

"The object itself is maybe not valuable in the sense of money it can be very interesting whatever it is, historical or a natural anomaly," said Lindberg.

In the North Atlantic, one American salvage company is also hoping to beat the odds.

Odyssey Marine Exploration -- a company made up of researchers, scientists, technicians and archaeologists -- have at least 6,300 shipwrecks in their database that they are looking to find.

Their latest discoveries include two British war-time shipwrecks off the coast of Ireland that could be laden with hundreds of tonnes of silver.

Mark Gordon, president of Odyssey, says at least 100 ships on their watch-list are known to have values in excess of $50 million dollars.

"When you think about the fact until the mid 20th century, the only way to transport wealth was on the oceans and a lot of ships were lost, it adds up to a formula where we have billions of dollars worth of interesting and valuable things on the sea floor," he said.

The lure of treasure has lead to an increasing number of discoveries in recent years. But one which doesn't come without its dangers, warns Olsson.

"I think recently we're entering a time of a lot of discoveries," he said of the technological advancements in finding shipwrecks.

"The professional shipwreck discoverers are doing a great effort for cultural heritage management in the long run... what we don't support is the action of actually taking up items and selling them," he said.
. . . . What?!


Thanks to Tev to linking me to the article.

#2 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:28 am
by Josh
I will now officially offer good odds that it's not either a UFO or a plug to hell.

In the former case I will very happily pay up if I'm wrong. In the latter we'll all have much bigger issues to worry about. Like FM giving me that 'I told you so' look while we make with the whole underground resistance thing.

I get one of those Atlantis Staircase vibes from it all, though.

#3 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:11 am
by frigidmagi
Plug? Like the Ocean is a bathtub or something? Man I thought I wrote some weird shit when I was on a Burroughs trips but fuck dude. Baltic sea?

I vote freaky Nazi thing! Come on Yahtzee! :rofl:

On a completely unrelated note, I may need to take a trip south to pick up... power tools. Yes. Power tools. With plenty of batteries.

#4 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:19 am
by B4UTRUST
Josh wrote:I get one of those Atlantis Staircase vibes from it all, though.
Well on the computer screen on the video, if I was understanding correctly, it overlayed a Boeing 747 on top of the shape. Roughly the same size. That's a huge staircase then, especially with a second the same size not too far away. Plus what looks to be drag marks or some sort of 'tail' that's about 400m long.

The video also mentions underwater Stonehenge. I'm not sure on that one either. It looks like something hit and skidded. My guess is a failed experimental military vehicle.

#5 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:52 pm
by Josh
B4UTRUST wrote:
Josh wrote:I get one of those Atlantis Staircase vibes from it all, though.
Well on the computer screen on the video, if I was understanding correctly, it overlayed a Boeing 747 on top of the shape. Roughly the same size. That's a huge staircase then, especially with a second the same size not too far away. Plus what looks to be drag marks or some sort of 'tail' that's about 400m long.

The video also mentions underwater Stonehenge. I'm not sure on that one either. It looks like something hit and skidded. My guess is a failed experimental military vehicle.
Aaaaah, didn't watch the video. In that case, you're probably right. I'm voting freaky Nazi experimental atomic plane possessed by the ghost of Hitler, so I'm going to be stocking up on power tools too.


I was referring to that rock formation that the Atlantis hunters decided had to be a staircase a while back. Saw it on National Geographic a while back, and the Atlantis hunters were so totally sure it couldn't be a natural formation, then they got an aquatic geologist on who was all "Oh yeah, you see those around."

#6 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:32 pm
by LadyTevar
The "Staircase" was in the Bahamas, and it's a type of flat lava flow, or something like that.

This thing looks like the Millenium Falcon :-D

#7 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:36 pm
by Batman
The Millennium Falcon is neither 60 metres across nor has a 400 metre tail?

#8 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:45 pm
by LadyTevar
The 400 meter tail is another object in the same area, Batman. There is a long cylinder, and a oddly rounded circle. The video shows the circle, but not the cylinder

#9 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:36 am
by frigidmagi
Table of Odds, more to added.

The Actual no shit been in space Millennium Falcon 100,000,000,000,000 to 1
Transformer Ship Nemesis 10,000,000,000,000 to 1
Plug to the Inner World 1,000,000,000 to 1
Transdimensional Craft 100,000,000 to 1
Unidentified Alien Craft 1,000,000 to 1
Deep Ones Artifact 500,000 to 1
Freaky Nazi Thingy 100,000 to 1
Freaky Soviet Thingy 50,000 to 1
Freaky Allied/NATO Thingy 25,000 to 1
Really Big StarGate and DHD 10,000 to 1
*StoneHenge Under The Sea 1,000 to 1
Natural Formation 10 to 1
Computer Error 10 to 1

Frigid having gotten the odds completely right on this table 10,000 to 1 :wink:

*singers for disney musical numbers not included. Offer void where prohibited.

#10 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:08 am
by Comrade Tortoise
Come on Yahtzee!
I'M SORRY!!
The Actual no shit been in space Millennium Falcon 100,000,000,000,000 to 1
Transformer Ship Nemesis 10,000,000,000,000 to 1
Plug to the Inner World 1,000,000,000 to 1
Transdimensional Craft 100,000,000 to 1
Unidentified Alien Craft 1,000,000 to 1
Freaky Nazi Thingy 100,000 to 1
Freaky Soviet Thingy 50,000 to 1
Freaky Allied/NATO Thingy 25,000 to 1
Really Big StarGate and DHD 10,000 to 1
*StoneHenge Under The Sea 1,000 to 1
Natural Formation 10 to 1
Computer Error 10 to 1
I am thinking either some sort of natural formation like a crater and ejecta plume from some ancient low-angle impact, preserved by fine sediment, some other natural formation, or some freaky nazi/soviet thing.

#11 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:10 pm
by Josh
I just realized there's a disturbing lack of Cthulhu/Great Old Ones in our oddsmaking.

Calling half a million to one that we have the Great One waiting down there. Also calling ground floor on cult membership if he does emerge and eat an aircraft carrier.

#12 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:52 pm
by frigidmagi
I don't think it's big enough honestly. Besides he's suppose to be in an entire fucking city. That ain't no damn city! I'll add Deep One Artifact however, how's that?

#13 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:54 pm
by Josh
It's his summer house, damn it. The city is over yonder.

#14 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:20 pm
by Batman
Circular with a long tail. Maybe it's a Great Old One yo-yo? Or maybe a lollipop?

#15 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:19 pm
by Josh
Batman wrote:Circular with a long tail. Maybe it's a Great Old One yo-yo? Or maybe a lollipop?
You know something, Bats. Something the rest of us don't.

You always do.

#16 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:23 pm
by rhoenix
Batman wrote:Circular with a long tail. Maybe it's a Great Old One yo-yo? Or maybe a lollipop?
Hey, look man - even the Great Old Ones get bored sometimes while waiting for life to take its sweet ass time evolving. Don't judge them for making yo-yo's and then tossing them in the ocean when they were done.

Kind of like how they left dinosaur bones everywhere to confuse people.

#17 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:07 pm
by Josh
rhoenix wrote:Kind of like how they left dinosaur bones everywhere to confuse people.
Mom said that was the dinosaur fairy.

#18 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:38 pm
by Batman
You've got that backwards. You put a dinosaur bone under your pillow, the dinosaur fairy takes it when you sleep and leaves a quarter.

#19 Re: Shipwreck hunters stumble across mysterious find

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:53 pm
by SirNitram
It's obvious what this is. A US Starship, covered in coral growth. Inside, there is only a perfect, golden sphere..