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#1 Senator Webb hammers Romney.

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:27 pm
by frigidmagi
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Politico
Jim Webb’s departures from party orthodoxy are frequent. As recently as last November, the retiring Virginia Democratic senator was reluctant to commit to campaigning for President Barack Obama.

So Webb’s bladework today on Mitt Romney was as unexpected as it was memorable.

From Webb’s introductory remarks before Obama’s Virginia Beach appearance:

Governor Romney and I are about the same age. Like millions of others in our generation, we came to adulthood facing the harsh realities of the Vietnam War. 2.7 million in our age group went to Vietnam, a war which eventually took the lives of 58,000 young Americans and cost another 300,000 wounded. The Marine Corps lost 100,000 killed or wounded in that war. During the year I was in Vietnam, 1969, our country lost twice as many dead as we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan combined over the past 10 years of war. 1968 was worse. 1967 was about the same. Not a day goes by when I do not think about the young Marines I was privileged to lead.

This was a time of conscription, where every American male was eligible to be drafted. People made choices about how to deal with the draft, and about military service. I have never envied or resented any of the choices that were made as long as they were done within the law. But those among us who stepped forward to face the harsh unknowns and the lifelong changes that can come from combat did so with the belief that their service would be honored, and that our leaders would, in the words of President Abraham Lincoln, care for those who had borne the battle, and for their widows and their children.

Those young Marines that I led have grown older now. They’ve lived lives of courage, both in combat and after their return, where many of them were derided by their own peers for having served. That was a long time ago. They are not bitter. They know what they did. But in receiving veterans’ benefits, they are not takers. They were givers, in the ultimate sense of that word. There is a saying among war veterans: “All gave some, some gave all.” This is not a culture of dependency. It is a part of a long tradition that gave this country its freedom and independence. They paid, some with their lives, some through wounds and disabilities, some through their emotional scars, some through the lost opportunities and delayed entry into civilian careers which had already begun for many of their peers who did not serve.

And not only did they pay. They will not say this, so I will say it for them. They are owed, if nothing else, at least a mention, some word of thanks and respect, when a presidential candidate who is their generational peer makes a speech accepting his party’s nomination to be commander-in-chief. And they are owed much more than that — a guarantee that we will never betray the commitment that we made to them and to their loved ones.

The attacks on Romney’s lack of military service and his failure to mention Afghanistan or Iraq in his convention speech aren’t new to the campaign, which is the first in 80 years without a military veteran on either major party’s ticket.

But coming from Webb — a voice for the white working class, a former Navy secretary and decorated Vietnam veteran whose son left college to enlist as an infantry private in the Marine Corps and fought in the Iraq War — his words carry a punch that few other Democratic surrogates can muster.

As much as anything else, Webb's sentiments are a reflection of Romney's missed opportunities — his failure to define his own character, to win over disaffected Democrats, to use the GOP convention to address the sacrifices made by the troops or even to speak convincingly to the white working class.
I'll admit I would prefer to see a veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan on either team's presidental ticket but it's not a make or break for me. I'll also admit that all things being equal, I'll vote for a vet before I vote for a non-vet, but rarely are all things equal. I've also voted for non-vets over veterans, partly over how I felt that veteran treated other vets and their stances.

That said if Webb had been running in my state, I would have happily voted for him. Been kind of a fan of his.

Still Romney has been damn mum about veterans, while bragging about his willingness to send us back into war and his pro-military stance. I find that worrisome. Whether he means to or not, it implies he's only cool with us while we're fighting, or training to fight and once pass that, we're of no further use to him so fuck us.

#2 Re: Senator Webb hammers Romney.

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:53 pm
by B4UTRUST
I believe that the term is Chickenhawk. Out of all the things I've come to disagree with in regards to Romney's politics and methods, this issue supersedes to me. The boy is pro-war. He is pro-military. But he is also a coward. He actively sought draft deferments to avoid service in the military during Vietnam, but demonstrated in favor of the war and the draft. I suppose that the draft was only a bad thing if it involved him having to sack up and serve. It's fine when it's everyone else's lives on the line.
Romney 2007 wrote:“I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.”
Romney 1994 wrote:“It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam, but nor did I take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft,” Romney told the newspaper.
The boy is a coward. A dishonorable, ball-less, soul-less, cowardly hypocrite. If I knew nothing else about him, that would be enough. I call him a boy, not a man, because he failed that test of character.

The military isn't for everyone and not everyone should serve. I acknowledge this fact. But I cannot in good conscience support an individual who so willingly wants to send everyone else to die while running away and protecting his own sorry ass from anything resembling danger. As I said, if I knew nothing else about him, that would be enough for me to never vote in his favor for anything.