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#1 Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with US,

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:32 am
by frigidmagi
STATEHOOD MOTHERFUCKERS!
Puerto Ricans faced a fundamental question on Election Day: Should they change their ties with the United States?

Citizens in the U.S. island territory cannot vote in the U.S. presidential election, but many were excited to participate in a referendum on whether to push the territory toward statehood, greater autonomy or independence.

Car horns blared and party flags waved after polling stations closed following what election officials said was a high voter turnout. During the day, many voters carried umbrellas against the blistering tropical sun as temperatures neared 90 degrees Fahrenheit (31 degrees Celsius).

The two-part referendum first asked voters if they wanted to change Puerto Rico’s 114-year relationship with the United States. A second question gave voters three alternatives if they wanted a change: become a U.S. state, gain independence, or have a “sovereign free association,” a designation that would give more autonomy for the territory of 4 million people.

With 243 of 1,643 precincts reporting late Tuesday, 75,188 voters, or 53 percent, said they did not want to continue under the current political status. Forty-seven percent, or 67,304 voters, supported the status quo.

On the second question, 65 percent favored statehood, followed by 31 percent for sovereign free association and 4 percent for independence.

“Puerto Rico has to be a state. There is no other option,” said 25-year-old Jerome Lefebre, who picked up his grandfather before driving to the polls. “We’re doing OK, but we could do better. We would receive more benefits, a lot more financial help.”

But 42-year-old Ramon Lopez de Azua said he favored the current system, which grants U.S. citizenship but prevents Puerto Ricans from voting for president unless they live in the United States, and gives those on the island only limited representation in Congress.

“Puerto Rico’s problem is not its political status,” he said. “I think that the United States is the best country in the world, but I am Puerto Rican first.”

Both President Barack Obama and rival Mitt Romney said they supported the referendum, with Obama pledging to respect the will of the people if there was a clear majority. Any change would require approval by the U.S. Congress.

Puerto Rico held non-binding referendums in 1967, 1993 and 1998, with statehood never garnering a clear majority and independence never obtaining more than 5 percent of the vote.

The island also was electing legislators and a governor, with Gov. Luis Fortuno of the pro-statehood New Progressive Party seeking a second term. Fortuno, a Republican, was challenged by Alejandro Garcia Padilla, whose Popular Democratic Party favors the status quo. With 817 of 1,643 precincts reporting late Tuesday, Garcia had 427,604 votes, or 48 percent, while Fortuno had 422,506 votes, or 47 percent.
Puerto Rico must now convene a convention to write up a state constitution and then Congress must vote it's approval, so it's not done yet. But to quote a number of conservatives I know:

"If GOP congressmembers are stupid enough to deny Puerto Rico statehood, no hispanic will vote for the GOP for the next 20 years."

And the Democrats? Please.

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Salute!

#2 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:29 pm
by SirNitram
Is that a fifty one star flag? Snazzy. An overall improvement, in my eye.

#3 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:11 pm
by Batman
I liked the rectangular star arrangement better. And don't tell me it can't be done with 51 stars. You lot managed to do it with anywhere between 13 to 50 stars, you can do 51.

#4 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:27 pm
by frigidmagi
Actually the 13 stars were in a circle bats.

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#5 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:40 pm
by Batman
I stand corrected then. Still doesn't change the fact that you largely manage to make the rectangular arrangements between 13 and 50 look good (which is probably the point where you tell me that actually, when there were only 37, they were arranged in a triangle or something. Yes, okay, I admit I did absolutely no research on what the US flag looked like in the past. I still prefer the rectangular arrangement).

#6 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:45 pm
by frigidmagi
I don't think we ever had a triangle. Maybe when we get our 52nd or 53rd state. And why not right? No seriously, as long as it's not violent conquest over the wishes of the natives... Why not have more states?

#7 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:30 pm
by Batman
I can't recall ever having claimed that? My one and only complaint was I like the rectangular arrangement of the stars better. I never said anything about there being a problem with there being more states? As for the triangle, I used that as an example to show I have no fucking clue how your flag looked in the past?

#8 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:30 pm
by frigidmagi
That part wasn't really addressed at you but at the general audience so to speak.

#9 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:00 pm
by Josh
If we're going to change logos, why not go for the full-on rebranding a la Atria nee Phillip Morris?

Change up the name, change the capital! Hell, we can invent new names for the political offices, too. Change 'President' to 'Loving Bunny.'

That way when somebody wishes ill upon our leader they'll be yelling 'Death to the Loving Bunny of the Federated Union' and boy won't they sure feel silly then.

Okay sleep, probably should get some sleep.

#10 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:02 pm
by Josh
Also the flag design leaves too much empty space in the corners. I'm kinda with Bats on this one. We'll just have to make D.C. or Guam a state or some shit.

#11 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:37 pm
by Charon
I like the new flag design. Personally I wouldn't mind getting away from the general square we have had going on since the original 13. We've got a big blue field, lets do something with it!

#12 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:03 am
by Soontir948
So, I'm hearing this was "non-binding"? What the hell's the point of putting this on the ballot except to what? Just gauge the interest?

#13 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:46 am
by frigidmagi
It can't be binding. Again, they have to convene a convention to draft a state constitution and then Congress has to vote to admit them into the union. That's the only binding thing that makes you a state (well that and Abe Lincoln, but details!). So this is basically the population of Puerto Rico declaring that their current government should and must begin work on such a convention.

#14 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:17 pm
by LadyTevar
I like the 51 star option, myself. Very nice, even with the "open corners"

#15 Re: Puerto Rico votes on whether to change relationship with

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:24 pm
by Josh
I refuse to concede to the consensus of this forum until I'm sure where Ohio stands.